This Week in Fiction

Hisham Matar on the Outsider in London

希沙姆·马塔尔谈伦敦的外来者
The author discusses his story “New Shoes.”
作者讨论他的短篇小说《新鞋》。
September 6, 2026
Hisham Matar
Illustration by The New Yorker; Source photograph by Diana Matar

The narrator of “New Shoes” is a man who left his home in Cairo when he was eighteen, and, after four years living and working in various places in Italy and France, has been in London for eight years, where he now owns a string of small newsagent shops. Why did you choose London as the place he would settle?

《新鞋》的叙述者十八岁离开开罗的家,在意大利和法国各地生活工作四年后,已在伦敦住了八年,如今拥有一串小型报刊亭。你为什么选择伦敦作为他落脚的地方?

I was interested in a person who is living in two places at once: one real, and the other desired. I have lived in London for the majority of my life, a city that is and has long been, of course, a place of refuge for people like my protagonist, who, no matter how long they remain here, can feel themselves a “guest,” as Virginia Woolf calls Joseph Conrad in her obituary of the author (he had, by that stage, spent forty-six years in Britain). All this to say that London famously remains at once hospitable to the outsider and adept at keeping him or her on the surface.

我感兴趣的是一个人同时活在两个地方:一个是真实的,另一个是渴望中的。我大半生住在伦敦,这座城市长期以来当然是像我主人公这样的人的避难所,但无论他们在这里待多久,都可能觉得自己是个“客人”——弗吉尼亚·伍尔夫在悼念约瑟夫·康拉德的文章里就是这么称呼他的(那时康拉德已在英国待了四十六年)。这一切说明,伦敦出了名地既对外来者热情好客,又善于让他或她始终浮在表面。

The narrator and his older brother initially thought that they would leave Cairo together, but the family could afford to pay for only one ticket. Would his life have been different had his brother been the one to leave and he to stay?

叙述者和他的哥哥最初以为他们会一起离开开罗,但家里只买得起一张票。如果当年走的是哥哥、留下的是他,他的人生会不一样吗?

I believe so. Many who are forced by circumstance to make a life in a new country—supposedly the lucky ones—feel at once fortunate to seek safety or opportunities elsewhere and cruelly excluded, not only from the people and places they love but also from the selves they might have become had they remained home.

我相信会。许多被环境所迫在新国家谋生的人——所谓幸运的人——同时感到自己既侥幸能在别处寻求安全或机会,又被残酷地排除在外,不仅远离所爱的人和地方,也远离了假如留在家乡本可能成为的那个自己。

He and his brother talk often on the phone, but the tenor of their conversation has changed since his brother told the narrator that friends in Cairo believe they’ve seen him in the city. How disconcerting are these reports for the narrator?

他和哥哥经常通电话,但自从哥哥告诉他开罗的朋友们相信在城里见过他之后,通话的基调就变了。这些消息对叙述者来说有多令人不安?

Deeply. It is as if they awaken in him an inner dissonance. The two possibilities or versions of himself resonate against each other. The secret heart of the story is this man’s attempt to endure these contradictions or the inner noise of such a life.

非常不安。仿佛它们唤醒了他内心的一种不协调。两种可能性,或者说两个版本的自己,彼此共振。这个故事隐秘的核心,就是这个人试图忍受这些矛盾,或者说忍受这样一种生活带来的内心噪音。

The double, or doppelgänger, is a recurring conceit in myth and literature. Were you inspired by any particular examples?

分身,或者说二重身,是神话和文学中反复出现的构思。你有没有受到某些具体作品的启发?

Absolutely. Several works have accompanied me as I thought about my story. Ranging from the more obvious examples, such as “The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde,” “The Other,” by Jorge Luis Borges, and Joseph Conrad’s “The Secret Sharer,” which I find myself rereading nearly every year, to less obvious examples, such as “Tristia,” that great exilic work by Ovid, V. S. Naipaul’s “The Enigma of Arrival,” and what you might call the double lives of certain works of art—such as Beethoven’s “Kreutzer” Sonata, which stirred Leo Tolstoy to write a novella by the same name, only for the two works to then inspire a harrowing string quartet by Leoš Janáček, and for the three works to somehow find their way into a novel by Margriet de Moor. Four “Kreutzer” sonatas started by Beethoven and stretching some two hundred years. And some paintings have been on my mind, too, such as Caravaggio’s “Narcissus,” Poussin’s “Echo and Narcissus,” and Titian’s “Venus with a Mirror.” But, even more specifically, the story is in dialogue with the British artist David Austen’s minimal and piercing drawings.

当然有。在我构思这个故事的过程中,有好几部作品一直陪伴着我。从比较明显的例子,如《化身博士》、豪尔赫·路易斯·博尔赫斯的《另一个》,以及约瑟夫·康拉德的《秘密分享者》——我几乎每年都会重读一遍——到不那么明显的例子,如奥维德那部伟大的流亡之作《哀歌》、V. S. 奈保尔的《抵达之谜》,还有某些艺术作品所谓的“双重生命”——比如贝多芬的《克鲁采》奏鸣曲,它激发列夫·托尔斯泰写了一部同名中篇小说,这两部作品又继而启发莱奥什·雅纳切克创作了一部令人揪心的弦乐四重奏,而这三部作品又不知怎地进入了玛格丽特·德·穆尔的一部长篇小说。四部“克鲁采”奏鸣曲,始于贝多芬,绵延约两百年。还有一些画作也一直在我脑海中,比如卡拉瓦乔的《那喀索斯》、普桑的《厄科与那喀索斯》、提香的《照镜的维纳斯》。但更具体地说,这个故事是在与英国艺术家大卫·奥斯汀那些极简而锐利的素描进行对话。

Yes. I believe the story emerged out of exchanges you’ve had with David Austen about the theme of the double. This month, an exhibition at the Cedric Bardawil gallery, in London, is showing thirty drawings of Austen’s in conjunction with “New Shoes.” Can you talk about his work and the way you’ve forged this artistic relationship?

是的。我相信这个故事源于你和大卫·奥斯汀围绕“分身”主题的交流。本月,伦敦塞德里克·巴尔达维画廊的一场展览将展出奥斯汀的三十幅素描,与《新鞋》同时呈现。你能谈谈他的作品,以及你们是如何建立这种艺术合作关系的吗?

I love David’s work, its depth and sensitivity, its fascination with the border between nature and the inner life, the haunted aspect of his figures, and the way he seems to urge us to focus, with devastating tenderness, on the lost and the displaced. Long ago I wrote a short essay about his work, and I still remember reading it to him in my studio late one afternoon and he and I sensing together the collaborative possibilities between language and image. Ever since, we hoped that we might work together. This is our second collaboration. And very much like the first project we worked in parallel, he showing me his drawings as they evolved and I shared with him drafts of “New Shoes.” And in this way his drawings and my story were nudged by each other, but in ways that remain hard to describe. The relationship between the two is certainly not illustrative. What is clear is that my story wouldn’t have been the same without David’s drawings.

我热爱大卫的作品,它的深度与敏感,它对自然与内心生活之间边界的迷恋,他笔下人物那种萦绕不散的气质,以及他似乎敦促我们以令人心碎的温柔去关注那些迷失者和流离失所者的方式。很久以前我写过一篇关于他作品的短文,我至今记得某天傍晚在我的工作室里读给他听,我们俩一起感受到语言与图像之间合作的可能性。从那以后,我们就希望能一起做点什么。这是我们的第二次合作。和第一个项目非常相似,我们并行工作,他给我看他逐步成形的素描,我也把《新鞋》的草稿分享给他。就这样,他的素描和我的故事互相推动,但那种方式很难描述。两者之间的关系当然不是图解式的。可以确定的是,没有大卫的素描,我的故事不会是现在这个样子。

As a boy and young man, you experienced exile twice. First, when your family moved from Tripoli to Cairo when you were nine, because of your father’s opposition to the regime of Muammar Qaddafi, as you described in the magazine and in your memoir, “The Return,” and then when you left Cairo to attend boarding school in the U.K. Have you, like your narrator, dreamed of an alternative life in which you’d stayed in Egypt—or in Libya?

你在少年和青年时期经历过两次流亡。第一次是你九岁时全家从的黎波里搬到开罗,因为你父亲反对穆阿迈尔·卡扎菲政权,正如你在本刊和回忆录《归来》中所写;第二次是你离开开罗去英国上寄宿学校。你是否像你的叙述者一样,幻想过另一种人生——留在埃及,或者留在利比亚?

It’s impossible not to. Beside me are the other Hishams: the one who remained in New York, where I was born when my father was a diplomat there; or the one who didn’t have to leave Tripoli and its sea, by which I grew up from three to nine, and where a part of me remains; or the other Hisham who might have carried on living in Cairo, where my family settled, and not left at fifteen for the U.K.; or the other one who would have returned to Cairo after university, or gone somewhere else perhaps more fitting to my Mediterranean temperament. This has infected me with the disease of elsewhere. Except I am now beginning to sense the possibility—only that—of a new consolidated state emerging, whereby my lives in London and New York, where I now live about half of the time, together with my attachments to Cairo and Tripoli, and burgeoning love affairs with other places, might all coexist with less fury. In my last novel, “My Friends,” the principal protagonist tells himself, “Let all your elsewheres go.” I suppose part of me aspires to that.

不可能不去想。我身边有其他的希沙姆:那个留在纽约的希沙姆——我出生在那里,当时我父亲在那儿当外交官;那个不必离开的黎波里和大海的希沙姆——我从三岁到九岁在那片海边长大,我的一部分至今还留在那里;那个可能继续住在开罗的希沙姆——我的家人在那里定居,而我没有在十五岁时离开去英国;还有那个大学毕业后会回到开罗,或者去某个也许更适合我地中海性情的地方的希沙姆。这让我染上了一种“别处”的病。只不过我现在开始感觉到一种可能性——仅仅是一种可能性——一种新的整合状态正在浮现:我在伦敦和纽约的生活(我现在大约一半时间住在纽约),加上我对开罗和的黎波里的依恋,以及与其他地方正在萌生的热恋,或许都能以更少的躁动共存。在我上一部长篇小说《我的朋友们》中,主人公对自己说:“让你所有的别处都去吧。”我想,我的一部分也渴望那样。

At the end of the story, the narrator decides to go shopping for shoes on Jermyn Street, one of London’s toniest destinations when it comes to buying shirts, shoes, and accessories for men. Why did you want to send him there? What do the shoes represent to him?

在故事结尾,叙述者决定去杰明街买鞋。杰明街是伦敦最高档的男装衬衫、鞋履和配饰购物地之一。你为什么想让他去那里?鞋子对他意味着什么?

I’d rather not spell it out. A good reader will know. ♦

我宁愿不说破。好的读者会明白。♦

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