This Week in Fiction

Madhuri Vijay on Cross-Generational Dynamics

玛杜丽·维杰谈跨代际互动
The author discusses her story “Hidden Life.”
作者讨论她的短篇小说《隐秘生活》。
August 16, 2026
A photo of Madhuri Vijay in purple. The background has some cursive writing on a dark green background.
Illustration by The New Yorker; Source photograph by Manvi Rao

In “Hidden Life,” you tell the story of Nidhi, a fourteen-year-old girl from Bangalore who is sent to stay with a great-aunt in Madras while her mother recovers from a miscarriage. At Jaya Aunty’s house, she also encounters Jaya’s daughter-in-law, Padmini, who is cognitively disabled, and a middle-aged male visitor, Sudhir, who is a Theosophist. How did you assemble this cast of characters, and did you know from the start where their interactions would lead?

在《隐秘生活》中,你讲述了尼迪的故事——一个来自班加罗尔的十四岁女孩,在母亲流产后被送到马德拉斯的一位姑婆家暂住。在贾雅姑妈家里,她还遇到了贾雅的儿媳帕德米尼,一位有认知障碍的女性,以及一位中年男性访客苏迪尔,他是一名神智学者。你是如何组合起这群人物的?你从一开始就知道他们的互动会走向何方吗?

“Assemble” is just the word. I began writing this story with different characters, namely, an aspiring young writer and his new bride, who pay a visit to an elderly relative resembling Jaya. For whatever reason, that combination of characters didn’t work. I replaced the young writer and his bride with a teen-age girl, but that didn’t work, either. It wasn’t until I inserted the character of Sudhir that the story suddenly leaped to life, and I saw exactly how it would end—how it had to end. Who can say what that alchemy is? Certainly not me.

“组合”这个词用得正好。我最初写这个故事时用的是不同的人物——一个抱负远大的年轻作家和他的新婚妻子,去拜访一位类似贾雅的老年亲戚。不知为何,那组人物行不通。我把年轻作家和他的妻子换成了一个少女,还是不行。直到我加入苏迪尔这个人物,故事才突然活了起来,我也清楚地看到了它会如何结束——它必须如何结束。谁能说清那种炼金术是什么?反正我不能。

Nidhi’s father paints a picture of life at Jaya’s house that is far more idyllic than what she experiences. Is his memory faulty (as Nidhi wonders) or have these characters changed with age—or was Nidhi’s father trying to make her exile sound more appealing than it actually would be?

尼迪的父亲描绘的贾雅家生活远比她实际经历的更加田园诗意。是他的记忆出了偏差(正如尼迪所怀疑的),还是这些人物随着年龄改变了——又或者尼迪的父亲是在试图让她的“流放”听起来比实际更有吸引力?

I think Nidhi’s father is being honest about the good time he had. His visit to Jaya’s was decades prior, after all; the house and the garden were probably better maintained in those days, and Jaya herself would have been younger and more energetic. Nidhi’s father sincerely believes he’s doing his daughter a favor by offering her the same experience.

我认为尼迪的父亲对他度过的那段美好时光是诚实的。毕竟他造访贾雅家是几十年前的事了;那时房子和花园大概维护得更好,贾雅本人也更年轻、更有活力。尼迪的父亲真心相信,给女儿提供同样的体验是在帮她。

Except that a teen-age boy’s experience is not the same as a teen-age girl’s, and that’s the truth that Nidhi has to confront. Her father drank apple juice, romped in the garden, and remembers his time in Madras fondly. For Nidhi, things don’t work out quite as neatly. When, at the end of the story, she imagines her father having the same experience with Padmini as she did, what she’s really doing is acknowledging—albeit in a pretty dark fashion—that life may hold an entirely different set of risks, obligations, and calculations for her than it did for the boy that her father used to be.

只不过,一个十几岁男孩的体验和一个十几岁女孩的体验并不相同,而这正是尼迪必须面对的事实。她父亲喝苹果汁,在花园里撒欢,对马德拉斯的时光记忆美好。对尼迪来说,事情没有那么顺遂。故事结尾,当她想象父亲也曾与帕德米尼有过和她一样的经历时,她真正在做的是承认——尽管以一种相当阴暗的方式——生活为她准备的风险、义务和算计,可能与当年那个男孩所面对的截然不同。

Sudhir Desai keeps coming to stay in this household, to which he has only a very tenuous connection. His motivations aren’t entirely clear. Why do you think he takes such an interest in Nidhi?

苏迪尔·德赛不断来到这个与他关系极为薄弱的家庭借住。他的动机并不完全清晰。你认为他为什么对尼迪如此感兴趣?

I’ve met men like him, and, if I knew the answer to that question, I’d have avoided some unpleasant situations. What, indeed, does Sudhir want? He suffers from all the usual afflictions—loneliness, loss of potency, regret, terror of old age, what have you. Jaya, whose son has died, welcomes him into her home, and he, a bachelor, enjoys the attention she gives him. What Jaya cannot give him, however, is access to his own youth. That can only be provided by someone who is herself young, like Nidhi. I wouldn’t say that this explains Sudhir’s entire motivation for taking an interest in her, but it’s certainly part of it.

我遇到过像他这样的男人,如果我知道那个问题的答案,我本可以避开一些不愉快的处境。苏迪尔到底想要什么?他承受着所有常见的困扰——孤独、活力的丧失、悔恨、对衰老的恐惧,诸如此类。贾雅的儿子已经去世,她欢迎他进入她的家,而他这个单身汉,享受她给予的关注。然而,贾雅无法给他的是通往他自己青春的入口。那只能由一个本身就年轻的人来提供,比如尼迪。我不会说这就完全解释了苏迪尔对她产生兴趣的全部动机,但这无疑是其中一部分。

Nidhi’s parents are progressive and quite open with their daughter about sexual matters. Is their attitude very unusual for this time and place? When Nidhi returns home, having had a bewildering exposure to sexuality, she feels, pleasantly, more detached from her parents than she did before. Do you see this as a healthy sign of her increasing maturity and independence, or do you sense that her experience in Madras has damaged her in some way?

尼迪的父母思想开明,在性方面对女儿相当坦诚。他们的态度在那个时代和环境中是否非常罕见?当尼迪回到家,经历了一番令人困惑的性启蒙之后,她感到——愉快地——与父母之间比从前更加疏离。你认为这是她日益成熟和独立的健康标志,还是你觉得她在马德拉斯的经历在某种程度上伤害了她?

I don’t know for sure that Nidhi has been damaged, but, even if she has, I don’t believe that damage is an impediment to the acquisition of maturity or wisdom. One of the questions I’m asking in the story, I suppose, is exactly what it means to be mature or wise in the first place.

我不确定尼迪是否受到了伤害,但即便有,我也不认为伤害会阻碍她获得成熟或智慧。我想,我在故事中提出的问题之一,恰恰是:所谓成熟或智慧,究竟意味着什么。

In Jaya and her parents, Nidhi is presented with two opposing models for maturity, at least when it comes to sexual matters. Her parents approach sexuality head on, almost with glee, which is certainly unusual for their time and place. One gets the sense that they rather enjoy being provocative. Jaya, by contrast, favors insinuation; she allows what is unspeakable to remain unspoken. By the end, Nidhi comes to find both approaches inadequate, even self-protective. I’d like to believe that she begins, on that train ride home, to grope her way toward a third, more profound approach, though she is a long way from articulating what it might be.

在贾雅和她父母身上,尼迪面对的是两种对立的成熟模式,至少在性方面如此。她的父母直面性,几乎带着一种兴高采烈,这在他们那个时代和环境中确实不同寻常。你会感觉到他们相当享受挑衅的姿态。相比之下,贾雅偏爱暗示;她让不可言说之事保持不言说。到故事结尾,尼迪发现两种方式都不够充分,甚至都是一种自我保护。我愿意相信,在那趟回家的火车上,她开始摸索第三条更深刻的道路,尽管她距离说清那是什么还有很长的路。

“Hidden Life” is your third story in the magazine, and, although their plots are quite different, all three involve a kind of contest for power or control between children and adults, be it their parents or new acquaintances. What makes this cross-generational dynamic so appealing to you as a writer?

《隐秘生活》是你在本刊发表的第三篇小说,虽然情节各不相同,但三篇都涉及儿童与成人之间——无论是父母还是新认识的人——某种权力或控制的较量。作为写作者,是什么让这种跨代际的动态如此吸引你?

I’m mortified to be so consistent! But the truth is that I do find the cross-generational dynamic fascinating, in particular that terrible moment when, under the gaze of a child, an adult’s carefully constructed shell of expertise and experience crumbles to reveal . . . what? A buffoon? A monster? A worm? That moment, for me, possesses an almost horror-story quality, and I always seem to find my way back to it.

我为自己如此“始终如一”感到羞愧!但事实是,我确实觉得跨代际的动态极为迷人,尤其是那个可怕的时刻:在一个孩子的注视下,一个成年人精心构建的专业与经验的外壳崩塌,露出……什么?一个小丑?一个怪物?一条虫子?那个时刻对我来说几乎具有恐怖故事的质感,而我似乎总是会回到那里。

Do you have any favorite stories about child-adult dynamics that were perhaps a model or inspiration for “Hidden Life”?

你有没有特别喜欢的关于儿童与成人互动的短篇小说,或许曾作为《隐秘生活》的范本或灵感来源?

I remember that Katherine Mansfield’s “The Garden Party” made a real impression on me when I was a child. And I consider Ethan Canin’s “The Year of Getting to Know Us” to be a benchmark of the parent-child genre. Neither served as a direct model for “Hidden Life,” but both are surely present within it in some ineffable way. ♦

我记得凯瑟琳·曼斯菲尔德的《花园茶会》在我小时候给我留下了极深的印象。我还认为伊桑·卡宁的《认识我们的那一年》是亲子题材的标杆之作。两者都没有直接成为《隐秘生活》的范本,但两者无疑都以某种不可言喻的方式存在于其中。 ♦

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