This Week in Fiction

Sarah Anderson on Relief from Intrusive Thoughts

莎拉·安德森(Sarah Anderson)谈如何摆脱侵入性念头
The author discusses her story “Dark Horse.”
作者讨论她的小说《黑马》。
September 20, 2026
A photo of Sarah Anderson in blue. The background has some cursive writing on a green background.
Illustration by The New Yorker; Source photograph by Rod Smith

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In “Dark Horse,” your story in this week’s issue, a woman has a recurring intrusive thought—the Thought, as she calls it—which involves her father having sex with his prize horse, Claudia. Her father acquired Claudia via the Horses and Burros Act, and he has a lot of thoughts about wild-horse policy. What drew you to that particular piece of legislative history as a backdrop for this family?

在你本周刊出的短篇《黑马》中,一位女性反复出现一个侵入性念头——她称之为“那个念头”——内容是她父亲与他那匹获奖马克劳迪娅(Claudia)交媾。她父亲是通过《马与驴法案》得到克劳迪娅的,而且他对野马政策有诸多看法。是什么让你选择这段立法历史作为这个家庭的背景?

I majored in biology in college, mainly because I really love animals, and that resulted in having a lot of friends who now work in conservation. I don’t remember how we first got on the topic, but a friend explained this law to me one day, and I was fascinated. It’s such a strong example of trying to do something good, but in this ill-advised way that potentially is causing more suffering in the end, through weird unintended consequences. So much of conservation is fraught with these questions of how to do good by both people and animals, who sometimes have conflicting needs, and these questions are interesting to me, because answering them involves a decision around how you weigh the value of a particular life and how you define suffering.

我大学主修生物学,主要是因为我真的很爱动物,也因此结识了许多如今从事自然保护工作的朋友。我不记得最初是怎么聊到这个话题的,但有一天一位朋友向我解释了这部法律,我立刻被迷住了。它是一个非常典型的例子:本意是想做好事,却以一种欠考虑的方式进行,最终可能通过种种诡异的意外后果造成更多痛苦。自然保护领域充满了这类难题——如何同时对人好、对动物好,而两者的需求有时相互冲突。这些问题之所以吸引我,是因为回答它们需要你做出抉择:你如何衡量某一条具体生命的价值,你如何定义苦难。

The narrator believes that the Thought was born the day her mother died, when her father refused to come into the house to say goodbye, preferring to stay outside with Claudia. The mother is a quietly devastating presence in the story. How did you think about balancing her absence with how much she still shapes the narrator’s interior life?

叙述者相信,“那个念头”诞生于她母亲去世那天——当时她父亲拒绝进屋道别,宁愿待在外面陪着克劳迪娅。母亲在故事中是一个安静却极具摧毁力的存在。你是如何考虑在母亲缺席与她对叙述者内心生活的持续塑造之间取得平衡的?

To me, the Thought is transmuted grief. I’m really interested in denial and repression, and the messy and unexpected ways that grief worms its way out of us. Claudia’s and the mother’s fates became entwined in the narrator’s mind as her mother was dying, and that’s something she has to work through, but it will take a lot of reckoning—maybe a lifetime of it. So the Thought is a way of keeping the mother present.

在我看来,“那个念头”是悲伤的变形。我对否认与压抑非常感兴趣,也对悲伤以混乱而意外的方式从我们体内钻出来的过程着迷。在叙述者的脑海中,克劳迪娅的命运与母亲的命运在母亲临终之际纠缠在了一起,这是她必须去面对和处理的,但这需要大量的清算——也许是一生的清算。所以,“那个念头”是一种让母亲保持在场的方式。

The story has a road-trip element, as Claudia’s health worsens and the father decides to drive her to Mexico, where she can be humanely slaughtered. The mother’s death and Claudia’s decline are woven together. Did you always conceive of them as parallel, or did that connection emerge as you were writing?

故事带有公路旅行的元素:克劳迪娅的健康状况恶化,父亲决定开车带她去墨西哥,在那里她可以被人道地宰杀。母亲的死亡与克劳迪娅的衰落在叙事中交织在一起。你是一开始就设想她们是平行的,还是这种联系在写作过程中才浮现出来的?

Always. But the way that played out did change in revision. In earlier drafts of the story, the father didn’t come on the road trip. He was unable to face it, in the same way he was unable to face his wife’s death, and again he off-loaded the burden to his daughter. In that version, he is simply on the phone with the narrator when she makes the decision to release Claudia. Early readers gave the feedback that a phone call was not enough—he needed to be in that car and he needed to see the release of Claudia happen. They were absolutely right. It brought so much more energy into the ending and underscored the parallels between the mother and Claudia.

一开始就是。但这种平行关系的具体呈现方式在修改中确实发生了变化。在故事的早期草稿中,父亲并没有参加这趟公路旅行。他无法面对这件事,就像他无法面对妻子的死亡一样,于是再次把负担转嫁给了女儿。在那个版本里,当叙述者做出释放克劳迪娅的决定时,他只是通过电话与她通话。早期读者给出的反馈是,一通电话远远不够——他必须坐在那辆车里,必须亲眼看着克劳迪娅被释放。他们说得完全正确。这给结尾注入了多得多的能量,也强化了母亲与克劳迪娅之间的平行关系。

The narrator goes to great lengths to evade the Thought—even travelling to Australia, where she meets a former child TV star. Back in the U.S., she acquires a boyfriend, a twice-married man named Dylan, who’s a bit of a loser, and is treated as such by the narrator. What is most likely to be effective in shedding the Thought, once and for all?

叙述者想尽办法逃避“那个念头”——甚至远赴澳大利亚,在那里她遇到了一位前童星。回到美国后,她交了一个男朋友,一个离过两次婚、名叫迪伦(Dylan)的男人,他有点窝囊,叙述者也是这么对待他的。要想一劳永逸地摆脱“那个念头”,什么方法最可能奏效?

I hope that readers will relate to the Thought in a lot of different ways. For me, this is a story about O.C.D., which I struggled with intensely as a child. There’s a subtype called real-event O.C.D., which involves endlessly replaying and questioning a past event. I learned about real-event O.C.D. only as an adult, and it was such a relief to understand that this specific form of suffering had a name, and that I wasn’t completely alone in it. So this is a somewhat clinical answer to this question, but two of the most effective treatments for O.C.D. are exposure and response-prevention (E.R.P.) therapy and acceptance-and-commitment therapy (ACT). It is possible the narrator will never be fully free from the Thought. In fact, accepting that we cannot control our thoughts is an important part of O.C.D. treatment. But that doesn’t mean the narrator can’t learn how to live with the Thought, to give it less weight, and to be free from the pain of it. ♦

我希望读者能从很多不同的角度与“那个念头”产生共鸣。对我而言,这是一个关于强迫症的故事,我小时候曾深受其苦。强迫症有一个亚型叫“真实事件强迫症”,表现为无休止地回放和质疑过去发生的某件事。我直到成年后才了解到真实事件强迫症,得知这种特定的痛苦有名字、而且我并不完全孤单,这让我如释重负。所以这个回答有点偏临床,但治疗强迫症最有效的两种方法是暴露与反应预防疗法(E.R.P.)和接纳与承诺疗法(ACT)。叙述者有可能永远无法完全摆脱“那个念头”。事实上,接受我们无法控制自己的念头,正是强迫症治疗中重要的一环。但这并不意味着叙述者不能学会与“那个念头”共处,学会减轻它的分量,并从它的痛苦中解脱出来。 ♦

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